APRES LE SILENCE - ENG

LAURA
VANINA VIGNAL

07/10/2011
07/10/2011
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            And have you spoken to them both?

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            I mean,
            you know if they spoke about it?

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            No.

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            Do you remember
            speaking to mum about it?

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            Your mother?

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            I've never really talked about it.

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            And with Teona?

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            No.

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            Teona doesn’t know much
            about history...

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            you know,
            the communist period.

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            What remains unsaid
            does not exist?

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            #Ioana and I

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            #grew up in a divided Europe,

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            #a Europe born of the Cold War,

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            #each one of us
            on either side of the Iron Curtain.

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            #In 1991,

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            #we talked about everything,

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            #except the dictatorship
            her country was emerging from.

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            #I must have felt it was too soon.

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            #I couldn't put it into words

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            #but I must have sensed

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            #I really shouldn't talk to her

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            #about communism or politics,

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            #of the past
            that was still too painful.

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            #So,

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            #we looked for things
            that brought us together.

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            #We talked about our daily lives,

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            #the theatre and drama
            we were both studying.

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            #Ioana had withdrawn into a cocoon

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            #and I entered Ioana's cocoon.

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            #Today,

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            #my film gives her the strength
            to put into words

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            #things that were too raw

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            #when we met.

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            #She's doing it for Teona,

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            #her daughter, my goddaughter.

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            #"So that Teona
            may one day understand

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            #which planet she comes from."

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            During communism,

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            do you remember

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            talking about

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            problems surrounding
            the dictatorship with your parents?

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            No.

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            I don’t remember talking about that.

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            It was something

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            permanent in our lives.

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            It was... what can I say?

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            As if knowing we’re two sisters
            in our family.

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            It was normal and extremely banal.

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            That's how we live.

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            It's our life.

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            Ceauşescu.

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            He was there when I was born,

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            I lived with him.

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            We went along with it

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            and fell into a kind of resignation.

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            Resignation.
            We kind of accepted the situation.

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            It was our normal, everyday life.

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            Why talk about it?

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            Nowadays,
            things are changing politically,

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            one party goes, another comes,

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            someone's compromised,
            another is pushed aside...

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            things are happening!

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            But back then,
            it was like a dead calm,

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            in a sense.

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            Ceauşescu, the Party,
            Romania, the PCR.

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            The Congress.

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            You see?

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            What’s the point
            in talking about it every day?

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            If something had happened,

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            I don’t know,
            an earthquake, or something,

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            for example,

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            that group that wrote a letter.

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            But I wasn't even aware about that.

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            Maybe my parents were.

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            In 1989.

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            The Letter of the Six.

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            - For example.
            - In March.

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            But I never even heard of it,

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            I was in my parallel world.

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            People must have known about it.

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            It was a small earthquake.

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            With Silviu Brucan...

       85:  10:08:06.14  10:08:09.09 
            - Exactly. But I was...
            - Parvulescu...

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            My parents wouldn't
            have talked to me about it.

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            Even if they had known about it,

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            they wouldn't have wanted

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            to put me in danger.

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            If they'd told me about it,

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            I'd have talked to others,

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            and we'd have been in a...

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            So, to protect me,
            even if they knew certain things,

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            or if they heard...

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            rumours,

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            or the signs of a tremor

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            and the beginnings of a crack,

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            I don't think they'd have told me.

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            You see what I mean?

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            That's why they never
            talked to you about it.

      101:  10:08:52.08  10:08:54.09 
            I think they protected me, yes.

      102:  10:08:54.23  10:08:57.18 
            Even if there were things
            to be said.

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            They didn't talk about things
            to avoid...

      104:  10:09:04.06  10:09:06.21 
            putting me in danger,
            in a way.

      105:  10:09:07.18  10:09:11.00 
            - Maybe they were protecting...
            - Themselves, yes.

      106:  10:09:22.16  10:09:25.18 
            I've lost my place...
            "The education of Man:

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            by developing the production force,
            the foundations

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            of social communist relations
            will grow.

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            The people's political conscience
            will be awakened by the Party,

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            to accomplish
            the educational programme

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            of the communist Man."

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            "The people's political conscience."

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            That's it.

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            The people's political conscience.

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            Did you feel that...

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            Yes, as soon as I became a Pioneer.

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            My education began...

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            that political conscience,

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            and that stuff.

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            How did they go about it?

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            I belonged to an organisation,

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            I was a Pioneer,

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            a budding little communist.

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            They inoculated us with the idea

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            it was a great honour!

      126:  10:10:25.15  10:10:29.04 
            It was something of great merit,
            you had to merit it.

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            If you were naughty,
            or a bit of a dunce,

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            if you weren't good at school...

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            - my back hurts -

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            then you weren't worthy
            of becoming a Pioneer.

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            It was a great pride and honour.

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            When I was around 6 or 7 years old,
            I started

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            to become aware

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            of the little communist growing
            inside me, that I want to become.

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            I strived towards being
            a good communist.

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            That was what being a Pioneer
            was all about!

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            It was the first step,

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            along with the scarf and cap,

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            the salute...
            I can't remember how we did it,

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            the hymns, patriotic poems.

      141:  10:11:21.05  10:11:23.17 
            So the first step
            towards all that...

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            For Veronica,
            it started in preschool,

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            she was a Homeland Falcon.

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            So, for me, it all started

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            in elementary school. I was 7.

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            Vanina!
            I've washed this for you.

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            It had come undone
            so I've mended it.

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            I'll iron it when it's dry.

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            Thank you so much, Rodica!

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            Listen to her laughing!

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            And Ioana, who's eating...

      152:  10:11:55.21  10:11:58.15 
            Let's follow Ioana!
            Come on, show us around.

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            The doorbell!

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            A charming icon.

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            It's beautiful.

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            You'd never seen it?

      157:  10:12:12.00  10:12:15.04 
            Yes, of course I had, but....

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            The love of her life, Kevin Costner!

      159:  10:12:27.13  10:12:29.07 
            I won't say a word...

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            Apart that she has
            posters of him everywhere.

      161:  10:12:32.13  10:12:35.03 
            She's not mad about him!
            No, not at all!

      162:  10:12:35.07  10:12:38.15 
            She doesn't cover him with kisses
            every single night!

      163:  10:13:22.05  10:13:25.19 
            It's ugly in here,
            it's all cluttered up.

      164:  10:13:26.05  10:13:28.04 
            I'll probably die

      165:  10:13:28.08  10:13:31.02 
            before having a bigger kitchen.

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            At my mother's, Ioana's grandmother,
            in Sighisoara,

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            the kitchen

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            is bigger than the dining room.

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            They live in a house

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            and there's only the two of them.

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            You see?

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            I can't wait for winter
            to eat all this!

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            Bit by bit!

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            What else can I tell you, my sweet?

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            I'm always rushing around.

      176:  10:14:07.11  10:14:11.16 
            I never get the chance to sit down,
            put my feet up.

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            So, to turn it red,

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            I pour this through the sieve.

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            That's why!

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            You see?
            And it turns red.

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            And then,

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            when you drink it,
            I mean, when you eat it,

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            you'll say:
            "How come this cauliflower's red?"

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            You didn't know that.

      185:  10:14:38.03  10:14:41.11 
            It's that root which is...

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            It's red cabbage.

      187:  10:14:44.00  10:14:45.08 
            Yes, I know that.

      188:  10:14:45.12  10:14:46.13 
            And it's good for you.

      189:  10:14:46.17  10:14:50.17 
            I boil it and that disinfects it.

      190:  10:14:56.23  10:14:59.00 
            You didn't know why it's pink.

      191:  10:14:59.04  10:15:03.08 
            It's normal,
            it's a vegetable that does that

      192:  10:15:03.23  10:15:06.11 
            when it's "macération".

      193:  10:15:06.15  10:15:10.10*
            I don't know...
            it's "macérer" in French.

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            Red cabbage.

      195:  10:15:12.16  10:15:15.00 
            No... Oh, I don't know.

      196:  10:15:15.20  10:15:17.13 
            Red cabbage, Vanina.

      197:  10:15:18.24  10:15:21.01 
            Would you like some of this?

      198:  10:15:21.05  10:15:24.21 
            Do you want to eat some now
            or tomorrow?

      199:  10:15:25.00  10:15:29.02 
            Tomorrow morning.
            I'm not very hungry right now.

      200:  10:15:29.11  10:15:32.15 
            And it's hot.
            I prefer flan when it's cold.

      201:  10:15:32.19  10:15:34.23 
            That's true. You're right.

      202:  10:15:35.02  10:15:38.04 
            Don't film the mess behind the door.

      203:  10:15:46.09  10:15:49.05*
            Where should I put it
            to cool off?

      204:  10:15:53.05  10:15:54.12 
            That's enough.

      205:  10:15:54.16  10:15:56.23 
            I can't read anymore,
            it does my head in.

      206:  10:15:57.23  10:16:00.23 
            It strains my eyes
            and I get a headache.

      207:  10:16:02.03  10:16:04.17 
            But we can talk
            about anything you want.

      208:  10:16:04.21  10:16:08.23 
            I'm going to have to stop reading
            for an hour or two.

      209:  10:16:09.19  10:16:11.16 
            The letters are too small,

      210:  10:16:11.20  10:16:15.04 
            it strains my eyes too much.

      211:  10:16:18.16  10:16:20.08 
            I'll just drink some water.

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            I'm a little hoarse.

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            What does it signify for you,

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            communism?

      215:  10:16:44.14  10:16:45.24 
            What does it signify?

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            What does it make you think of?

      217:  10:16:51.21  10:16:53.11 
            I don't know, lots of things.

      218:  10:16:55.20  10:16:57.04 
            We've plenty of time.

      219:  10:17:06.07  10:17:09.00 
            It's half of my life.

      220:  10:17:10.17  10:17:11.21 
            I don't know.

      221:  10:17:12.20  10:17:15.16 
            It's a lot, it's complex, it's rich.

      222:  10:17:36.11  10:17:39.17 
            We should've read
            the utopian communist entry.

      223:  10:17:41.20  10:17:43.17 
            - We did.
            - Really?

      224:  10:18:14.12  10:18:15.23 
            Bless you, my dear.

      225:  10:18:16.02  10:18:17.08 
            Thank you.

      226:  10:18:20.21  10:18:22.17 
            It signifies... I don't know...

      227:  10:18:23.15  10:18:26.17 
            Apart from the fact
            that it's half my life.

      228:  10:18:28.03  10:18:29.23 
            On the other hand,

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            it's something that can, in theory,

      230:  10:18:36.15  10:18:39.10 
            seem a good thing,

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            but it's impossible to reach because

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            we're not made to live
            under communism.

      233:  10:18:50.03  10:18:52.13 
            We can't live under communism.

      234:  10:18:52.17  10:18:55.17 
            It's impossible to live
            in that kind of society.

      235:  10:18:57.00  10:18:58.06 
            Simply impossible.

      236:  10:19:02.06  10:19:05.06 
            So why do you think that?

      237:  10:19:05.22  10:19:07.24 
            That it's impossible to reach?

      238:  10:19:08.11  10:19:09.08 
            Yes.

      239:  10:19:10.00  10:19:12.21 
            OK, I told you two things:

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            It took up half of my life,

      241:  10:19:15.19  10:19:17.17 
            so theoretically

      242:  10:19:19.06  10:19:22.23 
            I spent the first half of my life
            living in communism.

      243:  10:19:24.02  10:19:26.06 
            I mean...

      244:  10:19:27.13  10:19:30.18 
            I wasn't living in it,
            but that's what we said, right?

      245:  10:19:30.22  10:19:32.09 
            That's what I told myself.

      246:  10:19:32.13  10:19:34.05 
            I live in a communist society.

      247:  10:19:34.09  10:19:36.15 
            Socialist, communist, whatever.

      248:  10:19:37.21  10:19:39.17 
            On the other hand,

      249:  10:19:42.04  10:19:44.02 
            theoretically speaking,

      250:  10:19:47.11  10:19:50.19 
            it was always obvious
            that it was impossible.

      251:  10:19:51.05  10:19:52.10 
            It was a paradox.

      252:  10:19:52.14  10:19:55.22 
            We knew we were living something
            that didn't exist.

      253:  10:19:56.01  10:19:59.02 
            All that about achieving the Plans,

      254:  10:19:59.06  10:20:01.06 
            it was all bullshit.

      255:  10:20:03.07  10:20:06.17 
            There's that miraculous story
            about Scorniceşti,

      256:  10:20:06.21  10:20:09.09 
            the village
            where Ceauşescu was born,

      257:  10:20:09.17  10:20:12.22 
            where tomatoes were like that,
            peppers were like that.

      258:  10:20:13.01  10:20:14.17 
            - You know that story?
            - No.

      259:  10:20:14.21  10:20:17.22 
            There was a kind of legend
            that in Scorniceşti,

      260:  10:20:18.01  10:20:21.23 
            the birthplace of the beloved,
            the revered and adored one...

      261:  10:20:24.07  10:20:27.15 
            I don't know if they carried out
            genetic mutations

      262:  10:20:27.19  10:20:29.01 
            or pumped them up...

      263:  10:20:29.05  10:20:31.24 
            Everything was 10 times bigger
            than normal.

      264:  10:20:32.03  10:20:35.17 
            Melons were like that,
            tomatoes, peppers, all like that.

      265:  10:20:35.21  10:20:38.19 
            Just like in fairy tales
            and legends.

      266:  10:20:38.23  10:20:41.11 
            Our whole lives were like that.

      267:  10:20:42.04  10:20:45.02 
            They said: "We've outdone
            the Plan's conditions."

      268:  10:20:45.19  10:20:48.13 
            "We've paid back
            all the foreign debt."

      269:  10:20:48.17  10:20:50.14 
            OK, so you've paid it off.

      270:  10:20:50.18  10:20:53.16 
            It's a fact,
            that madman actually paid it off.

      271:  10:20:53.20  10:20:55.14 
            But at what cost?

      272:  10:20:56.14  10:21:00.02 
            It was all false, a paradox,

      273:  10:21:00.16  10:21:01.21 
            it was absurd.

      274:  10:21:02.21  10:21:04.17 
            I realized that

      275:  10:21:05.15  10:21:09.04 
            day after day,
            in all the different aspects

      276:  10:21:10.09  10:21:12.17 
            and the different levels of my life.

      277:  10:21:26.05  10:21:28.15 
            #The reality of Ioana's life

      278:  10:21:29.08  10:21:32.15 
            #was difficult for me to grasp

      279:  10:21:32.23  10:21:35.23 
            #accurately and in all its subtlety.

      280:  10:21:43.21  10:21:46.17 
            #The longer I lived there,
            the less I knew.

      281:  10:21:48.03  10:21:51.08 
            #My certitudes
            gradually came toppling down.

      282:  10:22:01.16  10:22:04.14 
            #I think that's why I felt
            I had to stay.

      283:  10:22:06.22  10:22:09.17 
            #I had to go beyond
            all representations.

      284:  10:22:11.08  10:22:13.09 
            #Both mine as well as hers.

      285:  10:22:21.14  10:22:24.23 
            #One day, when I was singing
            The Internationale to Ioana,

      286:  10:22:25.14  10:22:27.08 
            #she started crying.

      287:  10:22:29.17  10:22:33.08 
            #She said she'd just understood
            the chasm that separated us.

      288:  10:22:35.22  10:22:40.00 
            #She said she saw so much
            happiness and joy in my eyes

      289:  10:22:40.24  10:22:42.24 
            #that it was unbearable.

      290:  10:22:45.23  10:22:47.17 
            #I didn't even realize it,

      291:  10:22:48.20  10:22:52.09 
            #but my eyes were still full
            of my childhood dreams.

      292:  10:22:57.17  10:22:59.04 
            #In one fell swoop,

      293:  10:22:59.12  10:23:04.15 
            #my parent's dreams were swept aside
            by a harsh reality.

      294:  10:23:09.19  10:23:11.08 
            #In one fell swoop,

      295:  10:23:12.00  10:23:14.19 
            #I felt the whole weight
            of the legacy

      296:  10:23:14.23  10:23:17.11 
            #which Ioana still had to live with,

      297:  10:23:18.07  10:23:19.13 
            #in spite of everything.

      298:  10:23:25.09  10:23:28.15 
            #I could finally hear
            what Ioana was saying.

      299:  10:23:36.14  10:23:38.15 
            I read in a book

      300:  10:23:38.21  10:23:42.00 
            an expression...
            I don't know if you know it,

      301:  10:23:43.06  10:23:46.23 
            the "3 F's".
            Freezing, Famished and Frightened.

      302:  10:23:48.12  10:23:51.04 
            - But it's interesting.
            - It is.

      303:  10:23:51.14  10:23:54.08 
            And these "3 F's"

      304:  10:23:55.05  10:23:56.19 
            subdued

      305:  10:23:57.06  10:23:58.13 
            the population.

      306:  10:23:59.12  10:24:02.08 
            If you're freezing, famished
            and frightened...

      307:  10:24:02.12  10:24:04.21 
            You don't have the strength

      308:  10:24:05.13  10:24:07.18 
            to take steps in any direction,

      309:  10:24:07.22  10:24:09.23 
            if you're trembling
            on an empty stomach.

      310:  10:24:11.03  10:24:12.00 
            Yes.

      311:  10:24:13.00  10:24:14.02 
            It's true.

      312:  10:24:16.17  10:24:19.04 
            Talking about being cold
            and hungry,

      313:  10:24:19.08  10:24:21.21 
            it reminds me of Harap Alb.
            You know it?

      314:  10:24:22.03  10:24:23.02 
            Go on, tell me.

      315:  10:24:24.10  10:24:26.08 
            It was a truly revealing moment

      316:  10:24:27.10  10:24:31.11 
            that had a strong impact on me.

      317:  10:24:32.11  10:24:34.14 
            It affected me, I was shocked,

      318:  10:24:34.18  10:24:36.21 
            but shocked in a good way.

      319:  10:24:37.07  10:24:39.16 
            I realized a lot of things.

      320:  10:24:39.20  10:24:41.22 
            It really was a revealing moment.

      321:  10:24:42.01  10:24:45.13 
            I went to see Harap Alb
            at the National Theatre.

      322:  10:24:46.13  10:24:48.19 
            It was a full house.

      323:  10:24:49.07  10:24:53.08 
            It was fantastic,
            the theatre was always full.

      324:  10:24:54.05  10:24:56.22 
            We queued up of our own accord

      325:  10:24:57.01  10:24:59.08 
            and with passion.

      326:  10:25:00.14  10:25:03.15 
            Because in cinema,
            censorship could be felt more,

      327:  10:25:04.12  10:25:06.21 
            it was ever-present, harsher.

      328:  10:25:07.08  10:25:11.09 
            We did make
            some incredibly good films.

      329:  10:25:11.13  10:25:15.11 
            But at the theatre...
            I don't know how to explain...

      330:  10:25:15.22  10:25:19.04 
            They could elude...
            The doors were...

      331:  10:25:21.09  10:25:23.08 
            - You know the story?
            - No.

      332:  10:25:23.12  10:25:26.06 
            It's the tale of a prince

      333:  10:25:27.11  10:25:31.11 
            who goes on
            a classic initiatic journey

      334:  10:25:31.16  10:25:34.11 
            to find self-knowledge,
            and who finally gets

      335:  10:25:35.06  10:25:38.02 
            the Emperor's daughter.

      336:  10:25:38.13  10:25:40.01 
            During his journey,

      337:  10:25:40.05  10:25:42.24 
            he meets different characters

      338:  10:25:44.02  10:25:47.18 
            who help him through his travels

      339:  10:25:47.22  10:25:49.09 
            and different situations.

      340:  10:25:50.14  10:25:53.02 
            So, our Harap Alb

      341:  10:25:53.14  10:25:56.11 
            meets Hunger.

      342:  10:25:57.01  10:25:58.14 
            You know, Hunger,

      343:  10:25:58.22  10:26:01.15 
            who's always hungry.

      344:  10:26:01.19  10:26:03.00 
            Thirst.

      345:  10:26:03.24  10:26:05.24 
            Frost.

      346:  10:26:06.03  10:26:08.17 
            He's always shivering and freezing.

      347:  10:26:09.07  10:26:12.09 
            Then the others,
            Păsări-Lăţi-Lungilă, Ochilă.

      348:  10:26:12.13  10:26:15.04 
            So, what about them?

      349:  10:26:16.24  10:26:21.00 
            When Hunger came on stage,

      350:  10:26:22.13  10:26:25.11 
            he would shout out:

      351:  10:26:25.15  10:26:27.13 
            I'm hungry!

      352:  10:26:27.17  10:26:30.00 
            I'm hungry!

      353:  10:26:30.22  10:26:32.19 
            And the whole theatre would erupt

      354:  10:26:32.23  10:26:35.18 
            with thunderous applause.

      355:  10:26:35.22  10:26:39.00 
            Anyone...
            any normal person...

      356:  10:26:39.04  10:26:41.14 
            Let's say you came to see the play,

      357:  10:26:42.14  10:26:46.00 
            even if the character
            was maybe a little comical,

      358:  10:26:46.04  10:26:48.20 
            you wouldn't have understood
            what was going on.

      359:  10:26:48.24  10:26:52.09 
            "What's going on? Why
            is the audience behaving like that?"

      360:  10:26:52.19  10:26:56.21 
            But for us, the fact he could stand
            on stage and scream "I'm hungry"

      361:  10:27:00.06  10:27:01.21 
            meant he was screaming

      362:  10:27:03.03  10:27:05.19 
            our hunger out loud.
            You see?

      363:  10:27:06.20  10:27:09.17 
            The same for Frost:
            I'm freezing, I'm freezing.

      364:  10:27:14.10  10:27:15.15 
            It was then

      365:  10:27:18.02  10:27:20.23 
            that I realized the power of theatre

      366:  10:27:23.24  10:27:26.02 
            and the strength it can have.

      367:  10:27:31.08  10:27:34.04 
            There was a kind of communion

      368:  10:27:34.08  10:27:35.23 
            between the people,

      369:  10:27:36.02  10:27:38.23 
            between the audience and the actors.

      370:  10:27:40.03  10:27:41.15 
            We were as one.

      371:  10:27:47.14  10:27:50.09 
            We were all in the same boat.

      372:  10:27:51.05  10:27:55.02 
            We all knew they were saying
            what we were thinking.

      373:  10:27:56.02  10:27:57.17 
            We couldn't say those things

      374:  10:27:57.21  10:27:59.19 
            but they could say them for us.

      375:  10:28:30.17  10:28:32.09 
            My mum calls it

      376:  10:28:32.15  10:28:34.21 
            the town of perdition.

      377:  10:28:35.16  10:28:36.18 
            For her,

      378:  10:28:36.22  10:28:40.06 
            Bucharest is the town of perdition.

      379:  10:29:49.14  10:29:53.16*
            #When I first met Stefan and Valeria,

      380:  10:29:56.21  10:29:59.02 
            #Ioana's grandfather and grandmother,

      381:  10:30:01.24  10:30:05.15 
            #they reminded me
            of my own grandparents.

      382:  10:30:08.09  10:30:10.20 
            #He was gruff and silent,

      383:  10:30:11.07  10:30:14.18 
            #she was effusive and generous.

      384:  10:30:24.07  10:30:27.20 
            #Valeria insisted on giving me
            my "zestre", my dowry.

      385:  10:30:28.11  10:30:30.10 
            #"The same as Ioana's," she said.

      386:  10:30:36.17  10:30:40.10 
            #I received a dinnerware set
            of at least 60 pieces,

      387:  10:30:41.13  10:30:45.10 
            #an eiderdown made with feathers
            from their own poultry,

      388:  10:30:45.14  10:30:49.01 
            #- it weighs a ton and keeps me warm
            even today in Paris -

      389:  10:30:49.24  10:30:54.03 
            #two sets of bed linen
            complete with quilt covers

      390:  10:30:54.07  10:30:56.12 
            #and matching pillow cases.

      391:  10:31:13.03  10:31:16.14 
            #It took 15 more years
            and the film I wanted to make

      392:  10:31:17.24  10:31:20.14 
            #for Stefan's story
            to be revealed to me.

      393:  10:31:31.19  10:31:34.21 
            When the communists came to power,

      394:  10:31:37.14  10:31:40.02 
            some people,

      395:  10:31:40.21  10:31:42.13 
            many of them intellectuals,

      396:  10:31:42.21  10:31:46.24 
            saw what was happening

      397:  10:31:47.03  10:31:50.21 
            and what the communists
            were all about.

      398:  10:31:51.17  10:31:53.22 
            They fought back, they resisted

      399:  10:31:54.01  10:31:56.08 
            or took a stand against them.

      400:  10:31:59.02  10:32:01.13 
            There was a schoolteacher.

      401:  10:32:01.17  10:32:04.12 
            The communists decided
            to lock him up,

      402:  10:32:04.16  10:32:08.06 
            just as they locked up
            thousands of people.

      403:  10:32:09.10  10:32:11.09 
            Just because he didn't accept them,

      404:  10:32:11.13  10:32:15.03 
            because he wouldn't
            bow down to them. He resisted.

      405:  10:32:15.07  10:32:18.03 
            Maybe he spoke out at school,
            or something.

      406:  10:32:18.07  10:32:21.22 
            I suppose he must've
            done something concrete.

      407:  10:32:22.01  10:32:24.24 
            It couldn't just be
            that he didn't agree with them.

      408:  10:32:25.03  10:32:26.24 
            I think he spoke out,

      409:  10:32:27.03  10:32:29.14 
            in some way
            expressed that he disagreed.

      410:  10:32:29.18  10:32:33.02 
            You know, many people were arrested

      411:  10:32:33.14  10:32:34.17 
            for nothing.

      412:  10:32:34.21  10:32:38.16 
            Yes, but he was a schoolteacher,
            he had his say.

      413:  10:32:38.20  10:32:41.16 
            People respected schoolteachers.

      414:  10:32:41.20  10:32:45.00 
            They shaped the future men.

      415:  10:32:45.04  10:32:46.16 
            He was an intellectual.

      416:  10:32:46.20  10:32:49.04 
            He was considered intelligent.

      417:  10:32:49.08  10:32:53.20 
            People listened
            to his point of view.

      418:  10:32:53.24  10:32:56.18 
            Farmers respected him.

      419:  10:32:56.22  10:33:00.06 
            They listened to what he said.
            That was why

      420:  10:33:00.17  10:33:03.11 
            he was dangerous
            in the village.

      421:  10:33:04.06  10:33:06.08 
            He wasn't one of them.

      422:  10:33:08.05  10:33:10.11 
            So the Party's chief
            in that village,

      423:  10:33:10.15  10:33:14.02 
            or of that zone,

      424:  10:33:14.20  10:33:19.00 
            asked my grandfather, who was
            a gendarme, and so had authority,

      425:  10:33:20.02  10:33:22.01 
            to search the teacher's house.

      426:  10:33:22.05  10:33:24.19 
            To find something and arrest him.

      427:  10:33:24.23  10:33:28.19 
            At the beginning,
            they were supposed to find

      428:  10:33:29.11  10:33:31.24 
            motives, proof,

      429:  10:33:32.03  10:33:34.04 
            something tangible, concrete.

      430:  10:33:36.13  10:33:37.16 
            They did their search.

      431:  10:33:37.20  10:33:42.04 
            They found no
            anticommunist manifesto, no guns...

      432:  10:33:43.03  10:33:44.20 
            They couldn't find anything.

      433:  10:33:44.24  10:33:48.15 
            They had nothing to incriminate him.

      434:  10:33:48.19  10:33:53.06 
            So the communist, the activist
            - call him what you will -

      435:  10:33:53.10  10:33:56.08 
            slipped bullets into a drawer.

      436:  10:33:58.03  10:33:59.18 
            My grandfather saw him.

      437:  10:33:59.22  10:34:02.21 
            He said:
            No, I'm not doing that.

      438:  10:34:03.00  10:34:06.08 
            There's nothing here.
            We haven't found anything.

      439:  10:34:06.19  10:34:09.00 
            You can't do that.

      440:  10:34:09.05  10:34:11.19*
            I don't agree.
            I'm not doing that. No!

      441:  10:34:13.18  10:34:15.08 
            The other man threatened him:

      442:  10:34:15.12  10:34:18.16 
            Careful,
            you've got to be on our side.

      443:  10:34:18.20  10:34:22.11 
            I am on your side
            - because he knew who was in power -

      444:  10:34:22.15  10:34:26.09 
            but I'm not doing that.
            It's unfair, it's dishonest.

      445:  10:34:26.13  10:34:29.23 
            My grandfather
            was a very honest man.

      446:  10:34:32.03  10:34:34.01 
            OK. They left.

      447:  10:34:34.05  10:34:37.21 
            I don't remember
            how long afterwards,

      448:  10:34:38.05  10:34:41.12 
            but my grandfather was arrested
            and sent to the Canal.

      449:  10:34:41.16  10:34:45.02 
            The notorious
            Danube-Black Sea Canal,

      450:  10:34:45.23  10:34:49.24 
            dug out and built
            by Romanian intellectuals.

      451:  10:34:50.19  10:34:52.17 
            By teachers, doctors,

      452:  10:34:53.10  10:34:54.24 
            philosophers,

      453:  10:34:55.17  10:34:57.08 
            writers...

      454:  10:34:58.00  10:34:58.23 
            Priests.

      455:  10:34:59.02  10:35:01.21 
            Priests, exactly.

      456:  10:35:03.08  10:35:06.19 
            In general, they were men
            who opposed

      457:  10:35:08.04  10:35:09.23 
            the communists,

      458:  10:35:10.11  10:35:13.01*
            especially intellectuals,
            but not only.

      459:  10:35:23.01  10:35:25.18 
            #The story Ioana has just told us

      460:  10:35:27.14  10:35:30.20 
            #is the official version
            of her grandfather's arrest.

      461:  10:35:40.01  10:35:42.01 
            #Whilst we were making this film,

      462:  10:35:44.07  10:35:46.16 
            #her mother told me
            a different version,

      463:  10:35:49.00  10:35:51.18 
            #one that Ioana still ignored.

      464:  10:35:56.21  10:36:00.12 
            #Ioana and Rodica
            had never talked about it.

      465:  10:36:08.11  10:36:10.09 
            I'd just started
            elementary school.

      466:  10:36:10.13  10:36:13.09 
            In any case, I was little,

      467:  10:36:14.01  10:36:16.08 
            when one day, at home,

      468:  10:36:16.17  10:36:17.15 
            people turned up

      469:  10:36:18.23  10:36:19.23 
            at our house.

      470:  10:36:20.14  10:36:21.22 
            I don't know...

      471:  10:36:22.01  10:36:25.00 
            There were two soldiers in uniform

      472:  10:36:25.09  10:36:27.16 
            and another man in civilian clothes.

      473:  10:36:28.09  10:36:31.00 
            They searched the whole house.

      474:  10:36:32.13  10:36:34.04 
            I'm absolutely certain

      475:  10:36:34.08  10:36:37.05 
            they put a bayonet
            on top of the stove.

      476:  10:36:37.09  10:36:39.06 
            You know, a bayonet,

      477:  10:36:39.10  10:36:41.21 
            it's a long kind of knife
            from the war.

      478:  10:36:42.00  10:36:44.04 
            We didn't have things
            like that at home.

      479:  10:36:44.08  10:36:45.23 
            You know, they did it...

      480:  10:36:50.15  10:36:52.04 
            How can I explain?

      481:  10:36:55.00  10:36:58.19 
            They put it there intentionally
            when they searched the house.

      482:  10:36:58.23  10:37:01.19 
            They came with the bayonet.

      483:  10:37:02.13  10:37:04.21 
            It was havoc,
            we didn't see them doing it.

      484:  10:37:05.00  10:37:06.18 
            They put it up there.

      485:  10:37:06.22  10:37:08.04 
            You understand?

      486:  10:37:10.08  10:37:14.00 
            They were searching and one said:
            What's that?

      487:  10:37:15.05  10:37:17.07 
            My father said: It's not mine.

      488:  10:37:17.11  10:37:22.08 
            I handed everything in
            to the gendarmerie when I left.

      489:  10:37:22.12  10:37:25.04 
            That was how they justified
            taking him away,

      490:  10:37:25.08  10:37:28.17 
            far away from his wife and children.

      491:  10:37:28.21  10:37:30.21 
            Mum was left alone with us 3.

      492:  10:37:32.21  10:37:36.11 
            I'll never forget that scene.

      493:  10:37:36.15  10:37:38.20 
            I was only 6 or 7, but I remember.

      494:  10:37:38.24  10:37:40.12 
            What did you do?

      495:  10:37:40.16  10:37:43.09 
            We were all struck dumb with fear.

      496:  10:37:43.13  10:37:46.24 
            I thought they were taking him away
            for questioning

      497:  10:37:47.03  10:37:48.19 
            and he'd be home the next day.

      498:  10:37:48.23  10:37:51.02 
            I didn't see him for a whole year.

      499:  10:37:51.21  10:37:54.24 
            Mum had to look for work,

      500:  10:37:55.03  10:37:57.07 
            but nobody wanted to hire her

      501:  10:37:57.11  10:38:00.04 
            because her husband
            was a political prisoner.

      502:  10:38:01.05  10:38:04.21 
            So, you became a political prisoner
            even if...

      503:  10:38:05.00  10:38:07.22 
            He was a civil servant.
            Did he say something like:

      504:  10:38:08.01  10:38:11.07 
            What are these communists
            capable of doing?

      505:  10:38:11.11  10:38:13.08 
            I don't know
            what he might have said.

      506:  10:38:13.17  10:38:16.24 
            Back then, in every company,

      507:  10:38:17.03  10:38:19.06 
            there were people who...

      508:  10:38:20.04  10:38:22.05 
            grassed on others,
            denounced them.

      509:  10:38:22.09  10:38:25.09 
            Of course now,
            20 years after the revolution,

      510:  10:38:25.13  10:38:27.15 
            what's the use of talking about it?

      511:  10:38:27.19  10:38:30.00 
            We know so much now.
            What I'm telling you

      512:  10:38:30.04  10:38:33.00 
            I've seen others talk about it
            on TV.

      513:  10:38:33.20  10:38:37.08 
            He said something in particular?
            Or you know nothing?

      514:  10:38:37.12  10:38:38.15 
            No.

      515:  10:38:39.00  10:38:43.09 
            Maybe it was one
            of his work colleagues

      516:  10:38:44.04  10:38:46.04 
            who didn't like him very much.

      517:  10:38:46.08  10:38:50.04 
            My father was someone
            who spoke his mind.

      518:  10:38:50.08  10:38:52.04*
            If he wasn't happy, he said so.

      519:  10:38:58.19  10:39:00.02 
            #But maybe Stefan,

      520:  10:39:00.09  10:39:02.03 
            #Ioana's grandfather,

      521:  10:39:02.22  10:39:04.17 
            #didn't save anyone.

      522:  10:39:07.11  10:39:10.18 
            #The militia did set up
            the house search

      523:  10:39:11.01  10:39:14.02 
            #so that they'd find
            incriminating evidence.

      524:  10:39:15.05  10:39:17.18 
            #But it happened at Stefan's house,

      525:  10:39:18.14  10:39:20.13 
            #not the schoolteacher's.

      526:  10:39:25.02  10:39:27.05 
            #His wife, Valeria,

      527:  10:39:28.15  10:39:32.19 
            #maybe modified the story
            to protect her family.

      528:  10:39:41.18  10:39:43.09 
            I grew up living in fear.

      529:  10:39:43.13  10:39:46.19 
            I can't go to church,
            I can't speak my mind,

      530:  10:39:46.23  10:39:49.16 
            I constantly have to watch
            what I say.

      531:  10:39:50.05  10:39:53.18 
            Mum wouldn't even let me
            go round to neighbours.

      532:  10:39:53.22  10:39:56.08 
            She was scared
            they'd make me talk,

      533:  10:39:56.12  10:39:58.24 
            that I'd say daddy had been
            in prison.

      534:  10:39:59.24  10:40:01.21 
            That's how it was back then.

      535:  10:40:02.00  10:40:04.09 
            Unfortunately, that's how I grew up.

      536:  10:40:04.13  10:40:08.01 
            With a fear
            I've never been able to get rid of.

      537:  10:40:10.17  10:40:13.16 
            It's there,
            in the pit of my stomach.

      538:  10:40:13.20  10:40:15.18 
            I know I shouldn't...

      539:  10:40:17.21  10:40:21.06 
            But after-effects stay,

      540:  10:40:22.05  10:40:26.01 
            and deep childhood wounds
            are hard to heal.

      541:  10:40:26.05  10:40:28.06 
            This fear and terror...

      542:  10:40:28.18  10:40:31.07 
            I can't forget what I lived through.

      543:  10:40:31.11  10:40:35.10 
            You see for yourself
            how I describe it in such detail.

      544:  10:40:35.14  10:40:37.23 
            My parent's faces,

      545:  10:40:38.21  10:40:42.24 
            raddled by that search,
            and so scared.

      546:  10:40:43.03  10:40:44.20 
            What's going to happen now?

      547:  10:40:45.11  10:40:48.20 
            What will we eat tomorrow?
            How will we get by if...

      548:  10:40:50.07  10:40:53.07 
            Some people spent years in prison.

      549:  10:40:53.11  10:40:55.10 
            Dad was lucky.

      550:  10:40:56.18  10:41:00.04 
            I remember how I used to look up,
            in the street,

      551:  10:41:00.18  10:41:03.15 
            at every man passing by:
            What if that was dad?

      552:  10:41:05.08  10:41:09.17 
            We had no news at all, we didn't
            know if he was dead or alive.

      553:  10:41:10.16  10:41:12.10 
            You remember mum?

      554:  10:41:12.14  10:41:16.15 
            Of course! She always had
            a terrified look on her face.

      555:  10:41:16.19  10:41:18.19 
            Terrified...
            I remember so well.

      556:  10:41:19.18  10:41:21.04 
            And humiliated.

      557:  10:41:22.15  10:41:25.15 
            Once,
            during a meeting somewhere,

      558:  10:41:25.19  10:41:28.23 
            at a women's committee,
            that's what they were called,

      559:  10:41:29.02  10:41:32.24 
            where women came together,
            whether they worked or not,

      560:  10:41:33.03  10:41:35.13 
            and they held these meetings.

      561:  10:41:35.17  10:41:38.04 
            Mum had to stand up...

      562:  10:41:38.18  10:41:43.15 
            and criticize "big farmers".
            She was the daughter of a big farmer.

      563:  10:41:43.19  10:41:46.12 
            So she had to criticize herself,

      564:  10:41:47.01  10:41:50.18 
            because she realized
            that if she didn't,

      565:  10:41:50.22  10:41:53.23 
            if she didn't speak out
            against herself,

      566:  10:41:55.11  10:41:57.17 
            if you don't criticize
            your own parents,

      567:  10:41:57.21  10:42:01.17 
            you can't survive.
            You just can't...

      568:  10:42:01.22  10:42:04.00 
            You become marginalized and...

      569:  10:42:13.00  10:42:15.10 
            How was it for your grandmother?

      570:  10:42:16.19  10:42:18.10 
            How did she feel?

      571:  10:42:21.11  10:42:25.12 
            Apart from what she's told me,

      572:  10:42:27.16  10:42:30.21 
            we've never talked about
            how she felt.

      573:  10:42:31.15  10:42:32.23 
            She was...

      574:  10:42:34.19  10:42:36.23 
            She came to terms with the fact

      575:  10:42:37.09  10:42:40.20 
            that she has to live like that,
            she has to work.

      576:  10:42:41.08  10:42:43.14 
            She just got on with it,
            without...

      577:  10:42:45.08  10:42:48.15 
            She never turned it into
            a reason for suffering,

      578:  10:42:48.19  10:42:51.15 
            she never made it into a tragedy.

      579:  10:42:52.04  10:42:54.02 
            She was someone

      580:  10:42:54.17  10:42:57.14 
            who's lived through
            lots of hard times,

      581:  10:42:57.18  10:43:01.14 
            but she never complained,
            she never went:

      582:  10:43:02.15  10:43:04.13 
            The things I've had to bear!

      583:  10:43:04.17  10:43:05.21 
            She never did that.

      584:  10:43:06.00  10:43:09.17 
            She simply told me what happened.

      585:  10:43:10.02  10:43:14.03 
            That's not what I said.
            You can analyse things too.

      586:  10:43:14.07  10:43:17.02 
            No, we didn't take time
            to analyse things.

      587:  10:43:17.21  10:43:21.06 
            She wasn't the kind of person
            to analyse things.

      588:  10:43:22.08  10:43:24.22*
            All she did was tell me stories.

      589:  10:43:33.11  10:43:36.18 
            #What's hidden behind these stories?

      590:  10:43:41.03  10:43:44.05 
            #In fact, Ioana doesn't know
            much more than I do.

      591:  10:43:51.02  10:43:54.04 
            When did the Canal begin?
            In 1949?

      592:  10:43:55.00  10:43:58.04 
            Gheorghiu-Dej
            stopped all work at the site in 53,

      593:  10:43:59.16  10:44:03.05 
            Ceauşescu
            resumed construction in 1984.

      594:  10:44:06.11  10:44:08.02 
            And at the Canal...

      595:  10:44:09.17  10:44:13.00 
            I'm talking about during
            Ceauşescu's era,

      596:  10:44:14.03  10:44:15.15 
            from 1984 onwards,

      597:  10:44:15.19  10:44:19.12 
            20 000 detainees
            were sent to labour there.

      598:  10:44:21.07  10:44:23.08 
            From 1984 onwards, OK?

      599:  10:44:23.12  10:44:25.17 
            Hang on, I want to look for...

      600:  10:44:46.00  10:44:49.14 
            It's a text about the detainees.

      601:  10:44:50.00  10:44:54.04 
            This is what they said
            about the years 1950-1953:

      602:  10:44:54.13  10:44:57.22 
            "Arrests were carried out
            to meet requirements,

      603:  10:44:58.01  10:45:02.05 
            in general, the requirements
            for the Danube-Black Sea Canal.

      604:  10:45:02.09  10:45:05.05 
            If 5 000 men were needed
            at the Canal,

      605:  10:45:05.10  10:45:08.04 
            Comrade Hosu,
            the Canal's director general,

      606:  10:45:08.08  10:45:10.04 
            would telephone

      607:  10:45:10.24  10:45:12.20 
            the interior ministry,

      608:  10:45:13.13  10:45:15.22 
            and the state apparatus
            was set in motion.

      609:  10:45:16.01  10:45:20.19 
            The colonel, head of investigations
            of the Securitate,

      610:  10:45:21.12  10:45:23.15 
            allocated the tasks,

      611:  10:45:23.19  10:45:27.08 
            fixing the quota of detainees
            each region should provide."

      612:  10:45:27.12  10:45:28.14 
            So...

      613:  10:45:29.13  10:45:32.03 
            "Arrests were carried out
            to meet requirements

      614:  10:45:32.07  10:45:34.12 
            and not because elements were guilty

      615:  10:45:34.16  10:45:37.06 
            of being enemies of the regime."

      616:  10:45:43.05  10:45:46.16 
            Listen to this: "They slaved
            incessantly, night and day,

      617:  10:45:46.20  10:45:49.20 
            every Sunday,
            without the slightest respite.

      618:  10:45:49.24  10:45:52.17 
            In rain, storms or snow."

      619:  10:45:53.14  10:45:57.11 
            "When we left the site, late at night,
            drenched and freezing,

      620:  10:45:57.15  10:45:59.15 
            they put us in shacks,

      621:  10:45:59.20  10:46:02.09 
            squeezed in tight together,

      622:  10:46:02.13  10:46:06.19 
            on bare beds,
            and forbid us to dry our clothes.

      623:  10:46:06.23  10:46:08.20 
            So we slept in them.

      624:  10:46:08.24  10:46:13.02 
            The next morning, we set off
            for the site in our wet clothes.

      625:  10:46:13.11  10:46:17.00 
            As it was winter,
            our clothes froze on us."

      626:  10:46:19.09  10:46:22.14 
            These are accounts
            by people who went there.

      627:  10:46:26.09  10:46:28.04 
            There are so many accounts.

      628:  10:46:29.02  10:46:30.14 
            So many.

      629:  10:46:47.06  10:46:48.12 
            Listen to this:

      630:  10:46:49.01  10:46:52.17 
            "They were subjected to
            physical violence and torture,

      631:  10:46:52.21  10:46:54.23 
            as well as hunger.

      632:  10:47:00.02  10:47:03.08 
            Without justification,
            many detainees

      633:  10:47:03.20  10:47:06.19 
            were beaten with crowbars,
            spades

      634:  10:47:06.23  10:47:09.14 
            or fan belts from tractors.

      635:  10:47:09.18  10:47:11.23 
            Some succumbed to their injuries,

      636:  10:47:12.02  10:47:15.04 
            others were mutilated for life.

      637:  10:47:15.14  10:47:17.15 
            They also had other methods.

      638:  10:47:17.19  10:47:19.06 
            Some were shot to death,

      639:  10:47:19.10  10:47:22.10 
            medical care
            was denied to sick detainees,

      640:  10:47:22.14  10:47:27.02 
            forced labour was dealt out
            against medical advice,

      641:  10:47:27.18  10:47:30.06 
            which, for some, lead to death.

      642:  10:47:30.20  10:47:34.19 
            Another punishment was
            standing barefoot in freezing water."

      643:  10:47:37.03  10:47:39.12 
            And so on and so on.

      644:  10:47:41.04  10:47:44.21 
            It reminds me of my grandfather.
            He had terrible problems with his legs,

      645:  10:47:45.00  10:47:49.12 
            from standing in water, barefoot,

      646:  10:47:49.21  10:47:52.12 
            for hours and days on end.

      647:  10:47:54.15  10:47:58.17 
            Towards the end of his life,
            his toes were all...

      648:  10:47:58.21  10:48:02.06 
            all curled up, like that.

      649:  10:48:02.12  10:48:04.05 
            The after-effects.

      650:  10:48:05.06  10:48:09.00 
            He suffered from bone problems
            all his life.

      651:  10:48:09.07  10:48:11.05 
            After-effects of the Canal.

      652:  10:48:22.02  10:48:25.23 
            It's interesting
            to read these things.

      653:  10:48:26.18  10:48:29.08 
            It helps me realize

      654:  10:48:29.19  10:48:31.17 
            what he went through.

      655:  10:48:31.23  10:48:33.03 
            Because he never...

      656:  10:48:33.07  10:48:39.12 
            He wasn't the kind to go
            into details, subtleties...

      657:  10:48:40.07  10:48:43.02 
            or expand on the subject.

      658:  10:48:43.11  10:48:48.03 
            He was curt and short
            in everything he told me.

      659:  10:48:48.07  10:48:52.04 
            It was difficult for him.
            In fact, he avoided talking about it,

      660:  10:48:52.16  10:48:53.23 
            like I said.

      661:  10:48:56.00  10:48:59.02 
            Tears would well up in his eyes,
            he'd start crying.

      662:  10:49:01.24  10:49:06.04 
            That's why I marked the page earlier,
            I'll read it later.

      663:  10:49:06.09  10:49:07.14 
            It's...

      664:  10:49:11.02  10:49:14.12 
            How can I explain?
            It's good to be able to imagine

      665:  10:49:14.16  10:49:17.21 
            what he went through
            and where he was sent.

      666:  10:49:19.19  10:49:23.17 
            Now I understand why
            there's nothing in the dictionaries.

      667:  10:49:24.00  10:49:25.16 
            For one thing, it wasn't over.

      668:  10:49:25.20  10:49:30.14 
            Construction was suspended
            until the 1980s... which year was it?

      669:  10:49:30.18  10:49:33.04 
            1984, when Ceauşescu resumed work.

      670:  10:49:33.08  10:49:35.05 
            So the Canal didn't exist.

      671:  10:49:35.09  10:49:39.19 
            Only the beginnings of it existed,
            it was a partial failure,

      672:  10:49:40.24  10:49:43.04 
            something of a flop, a screw-up.

      673:  10:49:43.12  10:49:47.04 
            So all that
            couldn't be in the dictionaries

      674:  10:49:49.05  10:49:53.14 
            in 1964-1965
            when my parents bought them.

      675:  10:49:55.18  10:50:00.09 
            It's the same for "forced labour".
            You've seen what they say.

      676:  10:50:00.13  10:50:03.14 
            They couldn't have written about it
            at the Canal.

      677:  10:50:04.15  10:50:08.02 
            Or about "political prisoners".

      678:  10:50:13.15  10:50:16.16 
            But it's interesting,
            what we've found, isn't it?

      679:  10:50:24.06  10:50:26.06 
            It's interesting because...

      680:  10:50:30.05  10:50:31.19 
            they went and fetched

      681:  10:50:32.06  10:50:34.14 
            the workforce
            whenever they needed it.

      682:  10:50:34.18  10:50:35.22 
            Yes, you saw?

      683:  10:50:36.01  10:50:38.08 
            Your grandfather wasn't arrested...

      684:  10:50:38.12  10:50:41.06 
            Maybe he was arrested
            because they needed,

      685:  10:50:41.19  10:50:43.05 
            that particular day...

      686:  10:50:43.09  10:50:46.20 
            No. I think he was arrested
            at the beginning.

      687:  10:50:47.24  10:50:50.10 
            No, it was right at that time.
            In 1951.

      688:  10:50:51.21  10:50:53.22 
            He was arrested in 51.

      689:  10:50:54.01  10:50:57.11 
            It was exactly during the years
            the numbers increased

      690:  10:50:57.15  10:51:01.16 
            from 40 000 to 80 000.

      691:  10:51:01.20  10:51:03.24 
            The year he was arrested,

      692:  10:51:04.03  10:51:07.17 
            the numbers increased
            from 40 000 to 80 000...

      693:  10:51:07.23  10:51:10.00 
            Oh, no... to 80%

      694:  10:51:10.04  10:51:12.20 
            of political prisoners
            working on the Canal.

      695:  10:51:12.24  10:51:16.23 
            So it was during that phase
            "according to requirements".

      696:  10:51:17.02  10:51:19.14 
            According to requirements.
            So...

      697:  10:51:20.06  10:51:22.17 
            maybe we can even suppose that

      698:  10:51:24.14  10:51:27.06 
            that particular day, they needed

      699:  10:51:27.10  10:51:30.06 
            a certain number of...

      700:  10:51:30.23  10:51:34.21 
            - A quota...
            - A quota to meet.

      701:  10:51:36.06  10:51:38.02 
            So they went...

      702:  10:51:42.06  10:51:43.04 
            Yes.

      703:  10:51:58.05  10:52:02.05 
            When he came home,
            mum cooked him his first meal,

      704:  10:52:02.18  10:52:06.23 
            but as his body wasn't used
            to healthy food,

      705:  10:52:07.05  10:52:09.07 
            he suddenly fell down, like that.

      706:  10:52:09.11  10:52:11.15 
            After he'd eaten,
            we heard...

      707:  10:52:12.04  10:52:15.07 
            it was like a bag of bones falling,
            like that,

      708:  10:52:16.09  10:52:18.01 
            on the floor.
            I was scared.

      709:  10:52:18.05  10:52:20.09 
            We ran over to see what happened.

      710:  10:52:20.13  10:52:24.24 
            He'd fallen like that, over there,
            in the doorway.

      711:  10:52:26.07  10:52:29.07 
            Little by little, he recovered.

      712:  10:52:29.11  10:52:33.15 
            But that scene, and how he fell,
            is engraved in my memory.

      713:  10:52:33.19  10:52:36.11 
            It was probably
            a shock to his system.

      714:  10:52:37.07  10:52:41.06 
            After eating terrible food,
            then suddenly eating better...

      715:  10:52:41.10  10:52:44.24 
            I suppose that's why he fainted.

      716:  10:52:45.05  10:52:48.18 
            Medically speaking,
            his recovery was difficult.

      717:  10:52:50.08  10:52:53.15 
            He was operated on all his life
            for ulcers.

      718:  10:52:53.19  10:52:56.09 
            Imagine what
            his body must've gone through.

      719:  10:52:56.13  10:53:00.08 
            Apart from that, he said

      720:  10:53:00.12  10:53:03.01 
            it was horrendous

      721:  10:53:03.20  10:53:07.13 
            that the intellectuals with him

      722:  10:53:07.17  10:53:10.22 
            "died like flies".
            Those are his words.

      723:  10:53:11.01  10:53:14.01 
            They just fell down, like that.

      724:  10:53:14.07  10:53:17.20 
            They fell, without a word,
            and died.

      725:  10:53:18.06  10:53:22.08 
            He saw lots of things like that.

      726:  10:53:23.19  10:53:25.00 
            It was painful.

      727:  10:53:25.04  10:53:27.18 
            He probably didn't want to remember.

      728:  10:53:27.22  10:53:32.13 
            That year left its mark on him.
            He was a young man...

      729:  10:53:34.16  10:53:37.10 
            31 years old.

      730:  10:53:37.14  10:53:41.00 
            He didn't have a clue
            why he was sent there.

      731:  10:53:41.04  10:53:44.11 
            Maybe just because
            he said something that vexed.

      732:  10:53:44.15  10:53:47.23 
            It's painful.
            In general, he didn't like...

      733:  10:53:48.02  10:53:50.05 
            But when I say

      734:  10:53:50.15  10:53:53.17 
            he saw people around him dying,

      735:  10:53:56.06  10:53:58.06 
            university professors,

      736:  10:53:58.10  10:54:00.02 
            it's absolutely true.

      737:  10:54:00.06  10:54:03.22 
            Dad had no reason to make things up.

      738:  10:54:04.01  10:54:05.06 
            That's the truth.

      739:  10:54:05.10  10:54:06.11 
            I believe you.

      740:  10:54:06.15  10:54:08.09 
            No reason at all.

      741:  10:54:10.12  10:54:14.01 
            They worked so hard, Vanina,
            until they dropped.

      742:  10:54:14.05  10:54:17.01 
            What for...
            It was pure extermination!

      743:  10:54:17.05  10:54:18.20 
            That's all.

      744:  10:54:18.24  10:54:21.15 
            Mum sent parcels,
            they came straight back.

      745:  10:54:21.19  10:54:24.09 
            They didn't even give them
            our parcels.

      746:  10:55:34.01  10:55:36.01 
            What else do you want
            to talk about?

      747:  10:55:42.20  10:55:44.11 
            When you were little,

      748:  10:55:45.08  10:55:47.01 
            did you get the feeling

      749:  10:55:48.03  10:55:50.09 
            it was a secret?

      750:  10:55:53.12  10:55:55.17 
            - What do you mean, little?
            - Little.

      751:  10:55:56.01  10:55:58.13 
            Because, of course,
            later on, you knew.

      752:  10:56:00.05  10:56:04.11 
            But I didn't know my grandfather
            had been sent to the Canal.

      753:  10:56:04.19  10:56:07.15 
            I learnt about it in one go.

      754:  10:56:09.09  10:56:11.02 
            I didn't know when I was little.

      755:  10:56:11.06  10:56:15.13 
            It was something
            you didn't talk about.

      756:  10:56:16.13  10:56:19.15 
            You wouldn't talk about it.
            It was hidden

      757:  10:56:19.19  10:56:23.11 
            in the family history,
            it was something dangerous.

      758:  10:56:23.15  10:56:27.06 
            They tried to forget about
            the whole thing.

      759:  10:56:27.10  10:56:30.08 
            But after that,
            he had to have "pure origins".

      760:  10:56:30.12  10:56:34.15 
            So my grandfather became
            a factory worker,

      761:  10:56:35.11  10:56:38.13 
            serious and devoted to the Party.

      762:  10:56:39.09  10:56:42.13 
            Then that whole story
            just didn't exist.

      763:  10:56:46.18  10:56:48.15 
            Have you imagined your mother

      764:  10:56:49.01  10:56:51.22 
            during that period

      765:  10:56:53.12  10:56:54.11 
            of the Canal,

      766:  10:56:54.15  10:56:56.23 
            how things were,
            from her perspective?

      767:  10:57:01.17  10:57:02.22 
            I don't know...

      768:  10:57:03.01  10:57:06.23 
            In fact, I don't really understand
            what you're asking me?

      769:  10:57:07.02  10:57:10.20 
            How she saw what she went through,
            as a little girl?

      770:  10:57:14.00  10:57:18.01 
            She was such a good,
            obedient little girl.

      771:  10:57:18.14  10:57:20.20 
            I think she always wanted

      772:  10:57:22.02  10:57:25.07 
            to adapt, not be a bother
            and help others.

      773:  10:57:25.11  10:57:28.19 
            I don't think she had
            any problems in particular.

      774:  10:57:31.13  10:57:35.00 
            I've never asked her
            what she went through, how she felt,

      775:  10:57:35.04  10:57:37.23 
            what it was like
            when her father was at the Canal,

      776:  10:57:38.02  10:57:40.09 
            if she knew he was at the Canal.

      777:  10:57:42.04  10:57:44.08 
            We've never talked about that.

      778:  10:57:47.08  10:57:48.15 
            For example,

      779:  10:57:48.23  10:57:51.07 
            I have photos of her
            when she was little.

      780:  10:57:51.16  10:57:53.07 
            She's lovely.

      781:  10:57:53.17  10:57:55.05 
            I like those photos.

      782:  10:57:55.09  10:57:59.03 
            But I don't think of her
            in connection with the regime

      783:  10:57:59.22  10:58:04.03 
            that she lived through,
            with everything that entailed.

      784:  10:58:04.07  10:58:08.11 
            I see a little girl
            detached from all periods in time.

      785:  10:58:10.06  10:58:11.15 
            How can I explain?

      786:  10:58:12.11  10:58:14.05 
            Out of all historical context.

      787:  10:58:14.09  10:58:16.05 
            She's just mummy.

      788:  10:58:17.12  10:58:20.07 
            Not mummy during communism,
            or mummy...

      789:  10:58:21.16  10:58:24.15 
            in 47, 48,

      790:  10:58:24.19  10:58:27.01 
            50, 52.

      791:  10:58:29.06  10:58:30.15 
            You understand?

      792:  10:58:35.08  10:58:37.11 
            Historical determinations

      793:  10:58:41.00  10:58:43.03 
            didn't count for me.

      794:  10:58:53.00  10:58:56.16 
            You got your Pioneer scarf
            in elementary school.

      795:  10:58:56.20  10:58:59.13 
            There was a show.

      796:  10:58:59.20  10:59:01.05 
            You saluted

      797:  10:59:01.10  10:59:04.11 
            the detachment commander,
            that's what we called him.

      798:  10:59:04.16  10:59:06.24 
            But for me, seeing as though

      799:  10:59:07.19  10:59:10.16 
            my father was in prison,
            I got mine later.

      800:  10:59:10.20  10:59:12.17 
            And I felt extremely...

      801:  10:59:15.22  10:59:18.09 
            humiliated
            in front of the other children.

      802:  10:59:18.13  10:59:20.17 
            The teacher finally gave me one

      803:  10:59:20.21  10:59:24.07 
            but not at the same time
            as the other children.

      804:  10:59:24.11  10:59:28.15 
            Probably because
            those were the regulations.

      805:  10:59:28.19  10:59:30.23 
            Those who posed problems...

      806:  10:59:31.08  10:59:33.18 
            So as not to bring attention to them.

      807:  10:59:33.22  10:59:34.22 
            Yes.

      808:  10:59:35.19  10:59:38.01 
            Do you remember history at school?

      809:  10:59:38.07  10:59:40.11 
            History classes?

      810:  10:59:43.07  10:59:45.03 
            They're not good memories.

      811:  10:59:45.07  10:59:50.05 
            I had a teacher who had
            political duties at school.

      812:  10:59:50.16  10:59:54.18 
            She had a daughter
            who was in my class.

      813:  10:59:55.22  10:59:58.23 
            She used to look at me
            with a kind of disgust.

      814:  10:59:59.12  11:00:02.20 
            She used to look down at me...
            I don't know why.

      815:  11:00:03.11  11:00:05.24 
            But weren't her classes interesting?

      816:  11:00:06.03  11:00:08.14 
            Wasn't it interesting,
            at least as a story?

      817:  11:00:08.18  11:00:12.05 
            No, no.
            Because to me, it was...

      818:  11:00:13.01  11:00:17.07 
            I'm ashamed to say it
            but the history wasn't true.

      819:  11:00:18.02  11:00:21.10 
            All she did was talk about

      820:  11:00:21.14  11:00:23.17 
            communism,
            communism, communism.

      821:  11:00:23.21  11:00:26.14 
            It was the only period that counted.

      822:  11:00:26.18  11:00:29.23 
            What did she say about
            what had gone on before?

      823:  11:00:30.02  11:00:32.22 
            Nothing. It was a dead period,
            it didn't exist.

      824:  11:00:33.01  11:00:36.22 
            We were even forbidden
            to ask about it.

      825:  11:00:37.15  11:00:40.12 
            Do you think
            that influenced the fact

      826:  11:00:40.16  11:00:44.12 
            that you liked maths
            and not history?

      827:  11:00:44.16  11:00:46.18 
            I didn't like it.

      828:  11:00:47.06  11:00:50.20 
            If you harp on about the same thing,
            a child becomes saturated.

      829:  11:00:50.24  11:00:55.03 
            I didn't like
            the Party's patriotic poems,

      830:  11:00:55.19  11:00:58.06 
            about "my country",
            all that patriotic stuff.

      831:  11:00:58.10  11:00:59.20 
            I didn't like it.

      832:  11:00:59.24  11:01:02.23 
            Of course it's had an influence
            on my whole life.

      833:  11:01:03.02  11:01:06.20 
            Because with maths,
            "precise sciences",

      834:  11:01:06.24  11:01:09.09 
            or "exact sciences"
            as we called them,

      835:  11:01:09.14  11:01:13.14 
            you could find a job
            where you didn't have to be

      836:  11:01:14.03  11:01:15.21 
            in contact with the Party.

      837:  11:01:16.00  11:01:18.09 
            I didn't like all that...

      838:  11:01:18.13  11:01:22.11 
            having to say things I didn't believe,
            about politics, the Party.

      839:  11:01:22.15  11:01:25.01 
            I thought differently.

      840:  11:01:27.24  11:01:29.13 
            I'll never understand why...

      841:  11:01:30.08  11:01:31.12 
            No, never mind...

      842:  11:01:31.16  11:01:32.18 
            What?

      843:  11:01:33.14  11:01:36.13 
            It's crazy, not being able
            to say what you think.

      844:  11:01:36.17  11:01:38.23 
            It was a living nightmare.

      845:  11:01:39.02  11:01:41.07 
            Being scared of your own shadow.

      846:  11:01:42.12  11:01:45.12 
            They inoculated the population

      847:  11:01:45.16  11:01:49.23 
            with a fear
            of speaking their minds.

      848:  11:01:53.14  11:01:55.18 
            It's hard for attitudes to change.

      849:  11:01:55.22  11:01:57.20 
            It takes at least one generation.

      850:  11:01:57.24  11:02:01.09 
            Change is difficult.

      851:  11:02:01.16  11:02:04.10 
            Even my daughters
            have been affected.

      852:  11:02:04.14  11:02:07.07 
            "Keep your voices down."
            They know that.

      853:  11:02:07.11  11:02:09.23 
            Especially Ioana, but Veronica too.

      854:  11:02:19.03  11:02:21.12 
            You've behaved like your grandfather

      855:  11:02:21.16  11:02:24.03 
            who never spoke...

      856:  11:02:25.09  11:02:29.13 
            what the prisons were like and
            what he endured when he was freed,

      857:  11:02:29.17  11:02:32.20 
            and how he paid dearly,

      858:  11:02:33.20  11:02:35.09 
            the sacrifices he made,

      859:  11:02:35.23  11:02:39.17 
            to give his children a better chance

      860:  11:02:39.22  11:02:42.13 
            by becoming
            a simple factory worker.

      861:  11:02:46.10  11:02:48.20 
            He didn't have any other choice.

      862:  11:02:48.24  11:02:52.15 
            It was obvious
            he had no other option.

      863:  11:02:53.20  11:02:54.23 
            He kept quiet.

      864:  11:02:55.02  11:02:56.23 
            And your mother kept quiet.

      865:  11:02:59.00  11:03:01.03 
            But that's what we were taught.

      866:  11:03:06.13  11:03:08.22 
            To keep quiet to survive.

      867:  11:03:10.19  11:03:12.15 
            In lots of different ways.

      868: *11:03:28.03  11:03:31.06 
            #Souvenirs from elementary school.

      869:  11:03:31.10  11:03:35.10 
            #With my classmates,
            receiving their awards.

      870:  11:03:35.14  11:03:41.18 
            #Next to me is comrade schoolmistress,
            Ana Gota.

      871:  11:03:50.00  11:03:52.10 
            "The Pioneer Organization:

      872:  11:03:52.15  11:03:57.13*
            The mass organization
            of children from socialist countries,

      873:  11:03:57.21  11:04:00.18 
            controlled by
            the Marxist-Leninist Party,

      874:  11:04:00.22  11:04:03.11 
            whose goal is to support schools

      875:  11:04:03.15  11:04:08.14*
            and pupils' communist,
            multilateral education

      876:  11:04:08.21  11:04:14.00 
            in their ongoing struggle
            to achieve good results,

      877:  11:04:14.04  11:04:16.15*
            to promote collectivism,

      878:  11:04:17.03  11:04:19.08 
            socialist patriotism,

      879:  11:04:19.12  11:04:23.17 
            and proletarian internationalism,

      880:  11:04:23.21  11:04:28.00 
            to stimulate
            pupils' initiative spirit, etc."

      881:  11:04:36.00  11:04:40.03 
            You want to hear "the contemporary
            scientific and technical revolution"?

      882:  11:04:40.17  11:04:43.05 
            If you can stand it.
            If not, no.

      883:  11:04:43.09  11:04:45.03 
            It's up to you.

      884:  11:04:45.12  11:04:47.07 
            I don't want to force you.

      885:  11:04:47.17  11:04:51.03 
            I'm not sure if
            it's really interesting.

      886:  11:04:51.07  11:04:53.06 
            It's quite long

      887:  11:04:54.12  11:04:56.15 
            but I could read it...

      888:  11:04:57.08  11:05:00.07 
            I swear
            when I read these definitions...

      889:  11:05:04.06  11:05:06.13 
            I've noticed that while I'm reading,

      890:  11:05:06.22  11:05:08.10 
            I fall asleep.

      891:  11:05:08.14  11:05:10.07 
            I turn off all the...

      892:  11:05:12.20  11:05:14.15 
            connections to my brain...

      893:  11:05:14.19  11:05:16.09 
            - Of thought.
            - Yes.

      894:  11:05:16.13  11:05:19.22 
            I refuse to think about
            what I'm reading.

      895:  11:05:20.10  11:05:24.13 
            So, I swear,
            all I do is read the words

      896:  11:05:24.22  11:05:26.18 
            and my brain

      897:  11:05:27.04  11:05:30.06 
            refuses to take them in.

      898:  11:05:30.20  11:05:34.10 
            You have the impression
            that's what happened before?

      899:  11:05:34.14  11:05:36.24 
            Yes. It's probably a mechanism

      900:  11:05:37.03  11:05:39.13 
            that's triggered off.

      901:  11:05:39.21  11:05:41.10 
            I don't do it on purpose.

      902:  11:05:41.14  11:05:44.22 
            I don't think to myself:
            I can't stand it, read for Vanina,

      903:  11:05:45.01  11:05:47.11 
            empty your mind,
            get rid of all that.

      904:  11:05:48.05  11:05:50.07 
            I've noticed that while I'm reading,

      905:  11:05:50.24  11:05:53.01 
            it all becomes just letters,

      906:  11:05:53.05  11:05:57.17*
            which make up words
            that my brain refuses to register.

      907:  11:05:58.23  11:06:01.10 
            So, in a way,

      908:  11:06:01.14  11:06:04.13 
            everything I heard "from outside",

      909:  11:06:05.07  11:06:07.24 
            for example,
            from the political sphere...

      910:  11:06:08.21  11:06:10.07 
            anything that dealt with...

      911:  11:06:14.07  11:06:16.01 
            those kinds of things...

      912:  11:06:16.21  11:06:18.16 
            It was all

      913:  11:06:19.14  11:06:21.22 
            just empty words, like before.

      914:  11:06:26.24  11:06:29.04 
            I think everyone felt like that.

      915:  11:06:29.08  11:06:31.12 
            No one really tried to think

      916:  11:06:31.16  11:06:34.06 
            what materialism
            was actually all about,

      917:  11:06:35.18  11:06:39.01 
            and philosophy, and all that.

      918:  11:06:47.17  11:06:49.07 
            YOUTH IS THE FUTURE

      919:  11:06:49.22  11:06:51.09 
            OF OUR SOCIALIST NATION.

      920:  11:06:52.05  11:06:53.20 
            NICOLAE CEAUŞESCU

      921:  11:06:58.04  11:07:01.08 
            ROMANIA FILM
            presents

      922:  11:07:02.07  11:07:04.12 
            A film shot in the studios

      923:  11:07:05.03  11:07:08.11*
            of the Production Centre
            for Cinematography in BUCHAREST

      924:  11:07:09.01  11:07:13.18*
            THE YOUNG SOCIALIST ROMANIAN

      925:  11:07:20.21  11:07:24.07 
            There are moments in your life
            you never forget.

      926:  11:07:24.14  11:07:26.04*
            I received my Pioneer scarf

      927: *11:07:26.08  11:07:28.14*
            directly from young comrade workers

      928:  11:07:28.21  11:07:31.20 
            who were building
            the Danube-Black Sea Canal.

      929:  11:07:31.24  11:07:34.11*
            I felt we were swiftly approaching

      930: *11:07:34.15  11:07:36.15*
            our goal in life:

      931:  11:07:37.11  11:07:40.24 
            wanting to be of help to others.

      932:  11:07:50.08  11:07:52.00*
            Me and my wife

      933: *11:07:52.04  11:07:54.05 
            worked on the national youth site,

      934:  11:07:54.09  11:07:56.24*
            toiling from the first
            to the very last day.

      935:  11:07:58.06  11:07:59.07 
            8 years of work,

      936:  11:07:59.11  11:08:02.11 
            maybe the best years of our lives.

      937:  11:08:02.23  11:08:05.03*
            The children go to school.

      938: *11:08:05.07  11:08:08.18 
            In Geography, they learn about
            the new branch of the Danube,

      939:  11:08:08.22  11:08:11.09 
            the fruits of our work.

      940:  11:08:17.05  11:08:20.18 
            The Danube-Black Sea Canal
            was one of life's schools.

      941:  11:08:21.12  11:08:24.15 
            The first and maybe the true step
            towards maturity.

      942:  11:08:25.05  11:08:26.19 
            An encounter with life.

      943:  11:08:27.04  11:08:29.19 
            Bread earned
            with the sweat of my brows.

      944:  11:08:30.01  11:08:32.19 
            A major construction
            and the will of a nation to build.

      945:  11:08:32.23  11:08:35.24 
            Proof of what team spirit
            stands for.

      946:  11:08:36.05  11:08:38.06 
            The contact
            with difficulty and utility.

      947:  11:08:38.10  11:08:42.05 
            A symbol of youth's force
            and creative spirit.

      948:  11:08:42.09  11:08:44.05 
            Here's where I learnt a trade.

      949:  11:08:44.09  11:08:47.17 
            I'm proud of giving my heart
            and sweat

      950:  11:08:47.21  11:08:49.14 
            to this grand project.

      951:  11:08:49.18  11:08:51.17 
            I've felt the pulse of a nation

      952:  11:08:51.21  11:08:54.17 
            that wants to build a bright future,

      953:  11:08:54.21  11:08:57.02 
            a future born of its own strength.

      954:  11:09:15.01  11:09:16.09 
            Youth

      955:  11:09:16.20  11:09:18.08 
            Stormy and serene

      956:  11:09:18.12  11:09:21.17 
            Triumphant convictions
            and crushing doubts

      957:  11:09:21.21  11:09:22.14 
            A miraculous flower

      958:  11:09:23.08  11:09:24.22 
            Which opens its corolla

      959: *11:09:31.04  11:09:32.21*
            Being young means loving,

      960: *11:09:33.00  11:09:35.09 
            rejoicing...

      961:  11:09:38.01  11:09:41.02 
            Being young means
            loving sincerely, rejoicing,

      962:  11:09:41.06  11:09:43.23*
            wiping away a tear
            and laughing once more.

      963:  11:09:49.01  11:09:52.02*
            Youth is an age with two aspects.

      964:  11:09:57.06  11:09:59.01*
            Youth,
            two hands together,

      965: *11:09:59.05  11:10:01.11 
            two hearts beating as one,

      966:  11:10:01.15  11:10:03.12 
            youth is love.

      967:  11:10:09.13  11:10:13.02 
            Two years ago,
            I fell in love with a classmate.

      968:  11:10:15.02  11:10:16.09 
            And he...

      969:  11:10:16.17  11:10:19.01 
            I'm not sure
            but I don't think he knows.

      970:  11:10:19.05  11:10:21.24 
            Or maybe,
            by the way I look at him.

      971:  11:10:22.06  11:10:24.03 
            But I haven't told him.

      972:  11:10:29.22  11:10:33.19 
            #Ioana was in a propaganda film,

      973:  11:10:34.16  11:10:38.21 
            #a feature-length film
            commissioned by Ceauşescu in 1985

      974:  11:10:40.03  11:10:42.12 
            #to celebrate the Year of Youth.

      975:  11:10:49.16  11:10:53.05 
            #When she came with me
            into the projection room

      976:  11:10:53.09  11:10:57.17 
            #and saw this film at the Romanian
            National Centre for Cinematography,

      977:  11:10:57.21  11:11:00.07 
            #Ioana remembered

      978:  11:11:00.11  11:11:02.24 
            #she didn't say anything
            she didn't believe.

      979:  11:11:03.24  11:11:07.12 
            #She didn't realize
            that her story of her first love

      980:  11:11:07.16  11:11:09.16 
            #had been staged

      981:  11:11:09.20  11:11:12.22 
            #to depict the eternal youth
            of Romanian communism.

      982:  11:11:15.08  11:11:18.10 
            #We concluded that many people
            who were filmed

      983:  11:11:18.14  11:11:20.23 
            #must have been
            in the same situation.

      984:  11:11:22.22  11:11:26.00 
            #She was fascinated,
            as was I,

      985:  11:11:26.13  11:11:29.24 
            #by the way the film director
            had manipulated them

      986:  11:11:30.03  11:11:32.05 
            #and abused them.

      987:  11:11:37.24  11:11:41.14 
            #He came into their college,
            looking for young people.

      988:  11:11:42.24  11:11:44.20 
            #He found her pretty.

      989:  11:11:44.24  11:11:46.20 
            #He chose her.

      990:  11:11:49.12  11:11:53.11 
            #Ioana was happy
            to participate in the film,

      991:  11:11:53.15  11:11:56.17 
            #even though she knew
            it was all a pack of lies.

      992:  11:11:59.03  11:12:01.11 
            #For her,
            who would soon be an actress,

      993:  11:12:01.15  11:12:03.20 
            #she considered it an honour

      994:  11:12:04.10  11:12:07.24 
            #to be part of it
            and travel around the country.

      995:  11:12:12.23  11:12:15.13 
            #Her parents allowed her
            to take part,

      996:  11:12:15.17  11:12:17.23 
            #despite everything they knew.

      997:  11:12:19.23  11:12:22.14 
            #They didn't dare tell her
            not to do it.

      998:  11:12:26.05  11:12:28.07 
            #Rodica,

      999:  11:12:28.11  11:12:30.21 
            #when I talked to her about it,

     1000:  11:12:31.19  11:12:35.13 
            #became very defensive,
            as if she felt accused.

     1001:  11:12:54.17  11:12:56.23 
            But it's true that I've also

     1002:  11:12:58.01  11:12:59.23 
            tried to...

     1003:  11:13:02.07  11:13:04.24 
            leave everything behind,

     1004:  11:13:05.14  11:13:09.13 
            to free and purify myself
            of all those stories.

     1005:  11:13:10.11  11:13:15.09 
            I think it's traumatised me enough,
            it's left enough scars.

     1006:  11:13:16.04  11:13:18.06 
            That's why, in a way,

     1007:  11:13:19.00  11:13:21.24 
            it's much harder than it seems

     1008:  11:13:22.15  11:13:25.08 
            to talk about all this with you.

     1009:  11:13:27.04  11:13:31.18 
            It's difficult for me
            and I'm rather reluctant to do it.

     1010:  11:13:36.13  11:13:38.11 
            Because I'm fed up of it.

     1011:  11:13:40.24  11:13:43.16 
            OK, so I've lived through all that.

     1012:  11:13:44.06  11:13:47.12 
            I swallowed it all
            during my training

     1013:  11:13:47.16  11:13:51.03 
            and pursuit of identity, the Ego.

     1014:  11:13:54.07  11:13:57.20 
            I don't want to remember it
            or think about it, you see?

     1015:  11:13:58.01  11:14:00.10 
            So, in a way, you're forcing me

     1016:  11:14:00.14  11:14:03.01 
            to unearth something

     1017:  11:14:04.12  11:14:08.09 
            that I've tried so hard
            to bury deep inside me.

     1018:  11:14:09.03  11:14:10.06 
            You see?

     1019:  11:14:11.23  11:14:14.08 
            Because all that,

     1020:  11:14:14.20  11:14:18.01 
            of course it's had an impact on me,
            it's left me traumatized,

     1021:  11:14:18.05  11:14:21.01 
            feeling insecure and blasé.

     1022:  11:14:21.07  11:14:24.18 
            It's already destroyed
            my life enough.

     1023:  11:14:26.07  11:14:28.01 
            Why would I want to

     1024:  11:14:28.16  11:14:29.22 
            carry on living with it

     1025:  11:14:31.07  11:14:32.12 
            in the present?

     1026:  11:14:32.22  11:14:34.01 
            I want to bury it.

     1027:  11:14:34.05  11:14:35.19 
            Burn it.

     1028:  11:14:38.00  11:14:39.03 
            You understand?

     1029:  11:14:46.04  11:14:49.22 
            Of course I want to learn more,
            it's my history,

     1030:  11:14:50.13  11:14:52.09 
            but from what I already know,

     1031:  11:14:53.03  11:14:56.14 
            that's enough. I don't want
            to dig deeper and go over it.

     1032:  11:14:56.18  11:14:58.18 
            It isn't good for me.

     1033:  11:14:58.24  11:15:02.04 
            It doesn't make me feel liberated,

     1034:  11:15:03.11  11:15:06.06 
            like a new person
            who's sorted out her problems.

     1035:  11:15:06.10  11:15:07.24 
            I've nothing to sort out.

     1036:  11:15:09.16  11:15:10.06 
            How can I?

     1037:  11:15:10.10  11:15:13.10 
            Even if I understand,
            how do I sort it out?

     1038:  11:15:13.20  11:15:15.06 
            Yes, I understand.

     1039:  11:15:18.11  11:15:20.06 
            So what?
            How can I get back

     1040:  11:15:21.22  11:15:26.05 
            the confidence and the strength
            of a 14-year-old kid

     1041:  11:15:26.09  11:15:28.10 
            with her whole life in front of her?

     1042:  11:15:30.01  11:15:31.14 
            It's too late.

     1043:  11:15:32.20  11:15:34.11 
            My time was back then.

     1044:  11:15:34.15  11:15:37.05 
            Back then, it was what it was.

     1045:  11:15:37.09  11:15:39.12 
            I can't get anything back.

     1046:  11:15:39.16  11:15:42.20 
            Like when you say
            you go to see a psychologist,

     1047:  11:15:42.24  11:15:45.12 
            you understand your problems,

     1048:  11:15:46.07  11:15:49.21 
            you dissect them, analyse them
            and resolve them.

     1049:  11:15:50.00  11:15:51.14 
            Resolve what?

     1050:  11:15:55.04  11:15:59.18 
            I can't get back
            what I've lost forever.

     1051:  11:16:01.07  11:16:04.10 
            It's been devoured by communism,
            you understand?

     1052:  11:16:07.21  11:16:11.12 
            It's my life.
            That was what my life was like.

     1053:  11:16:24.05  11:16:27.18 
            I've most probably found a system,

     1054:  11:16:27.22  11:16:30.03 
            like any other human being,

     1055:  11:16:31.12  11:16:34.22 
            to survive, to move forwards,

     1056:  11:16:35.08  11:16:37.16 
            in order to cope psychologically,

     1057:  11:16:38.17  11:16:40.14 
            morally... I don't know,

     1058:  11:16:40.18  11:16:43.19 
            in such situations.

     1059:  11:16:49.00  11:16:51.16 
            I'm not saying it's the best system,

     1060:  11:16:53.12  11:16:55.12 
            or the best way

     1061:  11:16:57.14  11:17:00.03 
            to live my life,
            but it's how I manage.

     1062:  11:17:14.13  11:17:16.12 
            That's what you can do.

     1063:  11:17:17.02  11:17:18.24 
            You talk to the past.

     1064:  11:17:19.24  11:17:21.12 
            That's how I've managed

     1065:  11:17:22.12  11:17:24.19 
            to deal with it.

     1066:  11:17:27.14  11:17:29.04 
            That's how I've coped

     1067:  11:17:29.19  11:17:31.14 
            with my own personal history.

     1068:  11:17:36.00  11:17:38.10 
            And now, it's probably

     1069:  11:17:39.10  11:17:41.20 
            the only way I can manage.

     1070:  11:17:50.04  11:17:54.22 
            I've probably developed a
            very strong system to protect myself.

     1071:  11:17:58.16  11:18:01.04 
            And I keep myself
            as far as possible...

     1072:  11:18:05.04  11:18:07.01 
            from reality.

     1073:  11:18:08.09  11:18:10.20 
            It may not be a good thing,

     1074:  11:18:10.24  11:18:12.20 
            but that's the way it is.

     1075:  11:18:24.12  11:18:28.17 
            Sometimes, I don't know what to say
            or how much to say to Teona,

     1076:  11:18:30.01  11:18:33.24 
            about being implicated or not

     1077:  11:18:35.08  11:18:38.08 
            in socio-political reality.

     1078:  11:18:40.14  11:18:41.16 
            I don't know...

     1079:  11:18:42.15  11:18:45.17 
            But I suppose
            she'll find her own way.

     1080:  11:18:45.21  11:18:47.22 
            And there will come a time,

     1081:  11:18:49.03  11:18:51.21 
            she'll have the strength
            to make up her own mind,

     1082:  11:18:52.00  11:18:55.20 
            regardless of advice or suggestions.

     1083:  11:18:57.02  11:18:59.16 
            I'm counting on the fact
            she's intelligent,

     1084:  11:18:59.20  11:19:03.12 
            strong, determined
            and stubborn enough

     1085:  11:19:03.24  11:19:05.20 
            to know what she wants.

     1086:  11:19:05.24  11:19:07.14 
            Because I don't...

     1087:  11:19:10.22  11:19:12.04 
            How can I say?

     1088:  11:19:13.15  11:19:16.24 
            I don't have the courage
            to give her advice because

     1089:  11:19:17.19  11:19:22.06 
            I don't think I'm the right person
            to give advice.

     1090:  11:19:23.22  11:19:25.02 
            Do this, do that,

     1091:  11:19:25.06  11:19:28.24 
            get involved or not,
            be interested or not.

     1092:  11:19:30.02  11:19:31.06 
            Quite honestly...

     1093:  11:19:31.18  11:19:36.20 
            All I can do is talk about
            my experiences and feelings,

     1094:  11:19:37.01  11:19:38.08 
            about me.

     1095:  11:19:38.12  11:19:40.12 
            But I prefer to let her see

     1096:  11:19:40.16  11:19:42.24 
            and decide for herself.

     1097:  11:20:30.09  11:20:33.19 
            What has your mother told you
            about her childhood,

     1098:  11:20:33.23  11:20:35.11 
            when she was your age?

     1099:  11:20:35.15  11:20:39.03 
            Because it was during
            Ceauşescu's era.

     1100:  11:20:39.09  11:20:40.12 
            I've never asked her.

     1101:  11:20:40.16  11:20:41.19 
            Not yet?

     1102:  11:20:42.19  11:20:46.20 
            I try to learn the least I can
            about Ceauşescu

     1103:  11:20:46.24  11:20:50.03 
            so that I keep a feeling of pity.

     1104:  11:20:50.07  11:20:54.02 
            I'm sure if I learnt more,
            I'd feel pitiless.

     1105:  11:20:54.06  11:20:57.10 
            So I don't want to know too much
            about Ceausescu.

     1106:  11:20:57.14  11:21:01.12 
            Why do you want to keep
            that feeling of pity?

     1107:  11:21:01.19  11:21:04.15 
            Because I don't want to be
            like everyone else

     1108:  11:21:04.19  11:21:07.18 
            as soon as they hear
            Ceauşescu's name:

     1109:  11:21:07.22  11:21:11.16 
            Stop it! What a nasty person!
            Don't talk to me about him!

     1110:  11:21:12.23  11:21:17.10 
            I want to keep that feeling
            of indifference towards him.

     1111:  11:21:19.03  11:21:20.19 
            You're further on?

     1112:  11:21:21.05  11:21:25.12 
            Yes, he's dead, his era is over.
            Communism is over.

     1113:  11:21:29.06  11:21:31.12 
            What do you think about all that?

     1114:  11:21:31.24  11:21:32.23 
            About what?

     1115:  11:21:33.02  11:21:34.24 
            The fact that there were

     1116:  11:21:35.08  11:21:38.12 
            Falcons and Pioneers?

     1117:  11:21:38.24  11:21:41.16 
            I don't know what they were.

     1118:  11:21:42.18  11:21:45.06 
            It all seems kind of funny.

     1119:  11:21:45.18  11:21:48.00 
            Have you imagined anything?

     1120:  11:21:49.05  11:21:51.22 
            I've never thought about
            the Falcons or Pioneers.

     1121:  11:21:52.12  11:21:56.22 
            I told you, I try not to think about
            Ceauşescu and his era.

     1122:  11:21:59.02  11:22:01.04 
            You're not interested.

     1123:  11:22:01.18  11:22:05.22 
            Yes, I am,
            but I don't want to talk about it.

     1124:  11:22:06.03  11:22:07.14 
            With your mother and...

     1125:  11:22:07.18  11:22:10.18 
            Right, I try not to talk about it.

     1126:  11:22:10.22  11:22:13.03 
            Even if I'm dying to ask sometimes.

     1127:  11:22:13.07  11:22:15.06 
            But I don't want to bring it up.

     1128:  11:22:47.07  11:22:48.20 
            It's true that

     1129:  11:22:51.11  11:22:53.04 
            up until...

     1130:  11:22:56.07  11:23:00.02 
            Ceauşescu was executed,
            in a certain sense,

     1131:  11:23:00.19  11:23:04.24 
            we were in a kind of state
            of insecurity.

     1132:  11:23:05.03  11:23:07.24 
            Whilst he was still alive,
            everyone...

     1133:  11:23:09.04  11:23:12.05 
            No, it's silly to say "everyone",
            I don't really know.

     1134:  11:23:12.09  11:23:16.23 
            But there was a possibility
            he could come back,

     1135:  11:23:17.02  11:23:18.24 
            as long as he was alive.

     1136:  11:23:20.01  11:23:22.18 
            We didn't know... Where is he?
            What's he doing?

     1137:  11:23:22.22  11:23:26.04 
            What if some people from "outside"
            help him

     1138:  11:23:26.08  11:23:28.11 
            and everything goes back
            to how it was?

     1139:  11:23:28.15  11:23:32.16 
            What if he's gone somewhere and
            comes back with reinforcements?

     1140:  11:23:32.20  11:23:35.06 
            We were in the dark for a long time.

     1141:  11:23:35.19  11:23:39.06 
            And when he was dead,
            in a way, it was clear,

     1142:  11:23:40.11  11:23:44.00 
            definitively
            and categorically clear,

     1143:  11:23:44.16  11:23:46.02 
            that it was over.

     1144:  11:23:48.11  11:23:50.22 
            But, personally,

     1145:  11:23:51.02  11:23:55.06 
            I thought the way
            he was executed was awful.

     1146:  11:23:55.11  11:23:57.17 
            I've never been OK with that.

     1147:  11:23:57.21  11:24:00.22*
            I wasn't delighted,
            there was no sense of relief.

     1148:  11:24:05.08  11:24:07.19 
            Thinking back,

     1149:  11:24:07.23  11:24:10.08 
            about that bloodstain and...

     1150:  11:24:10.17  11:24:13.04 
            and, you know...

     1151:  11:24:13.08  11:24:16.05 
            the fact
            it happened on Christmas Day.

     1152:  11:24:18.08  11:24:20.19 
            You know I believe in God,

     1153:  11:24:21.14  11:24:23.18 
            so to me, it counts...

     1154:  11:24:27.05  11:24:30.20 
            that it happened
            on that particular day.

     1155:  11:24:31.04  11:24:35.11 
            I have the impression
            it put a stigma on us.

     1156:  11:24:36.19  11:24:39.09 
            It soiled
            and tarnished everything...

     1157:  11:24:41.02  11:24:44.00 
            everything good that could follow,

     1158:  11:24:45.02  11:24:46.23 
            everything beautiful and bright.

     1159:  11:24:48.00  11:24:49.03 
            You understand?

     1160:  11:24:49.14  11:24:51.08 
            It doesn't feel right.

     1161:  11:24:53.19  11:24:57.03 
            Where's the greatness
            in what they did?

     1162:  11:24:57.18  11:24:59.05 
            It was disgusting,

     1163:  11:24:59.09  11:25:03.22 
            performed by a little committee
            of communists, suddenly

     1164:  11:25:04.23  11:25:06.03 
            no longer communists!

     1165:  11:25:06.07  11:25:08.23 
            The poor things,
            they'd had no choice.

     1166:  11:25:09.02  11:25:11.20 
            Yet they were all top dogs!

     1167:  11:25:13.05  11:25:16.08 
            Come on! We all know
            who was on that committee.

     1168:  11:25:17.13  11:25:20.01 
            It's all so disgusting.

     1169:  11:25:21.06  11:25:22.08 
            You understand?

     1170:  11:25:22.16  11:25:26.06 
            So for years on end,
            I have a boss who knocks me about,

     1171:  11:25:26.10  11:25:29.22 
            but I lick his boots,
            suck up to him

     1172:  11:25:30.15  11:25:33.24 
            and hang on to his every word.

     1173:  11:25:34.12  11:25:37.09 
            But as soon as I see him trip up,

     1174:  11:25:37.13  11:25:39.14 
            I jump on him like a rat to...

     1175:  11:25:41.08  11:25:43.03 
            You know, like a pack.

     1176:  11:25:43.18  11:25:46.20 
            Devouring him,
            at the sight of blood in a wound.

     1177:  11:25:46.24  11:25:48.20 
            And they eat him alive.

     1178:  11:25:49.03  11:25:50.04 
            You understand?

     1179:  11:25:50.08  11:25:53.22 
            It felt something like that.

     1180:  11:25:55.11  11:25:58.12 
            And what they did was contradictory

     1181:  11:25:59.05  11:26:00.19 
            to the grand gesture

     1182:  11:26:01.09  11:26:03.22 
            of a nation, which really was

     1183:  11:26:04.13  11:26:08.19 
            worn out,
            which really did rise up,

     1184:  11:26:13.09  11:26:15.12 
            which really did...

     1185:  11:26:15.24  11:26:17.18 
            So, in a way,

     1186:  11:26:17.22  11:26:20.24 
            it was a revolution
            and a coup d'Etat.

     1187:  11:26:25.01  11:26:28.06 
            One was grandiose,
            very moving, heroic,

     1188:  11:26:28.10  11:26:29.20 
            the other was...

     1189:  11:26:32.12  11:26:34.12 
            I don't know, mean and...

     1190:  11:26:36.10  11:26:37.24 
            I don't know,

     1191:  11:26:39.02  11:26:42.09 
            it all felt like a lie
            right from the beginning.

     1192:  11:26:42.16  11:26:44.13*
            We were betrayed.

     1193:  11:26:48.19  11:26:51.12 
            - Have you seen the film #Awakenings#?
            - No.

     1194:  11:26:52.04  11:26:55.18 
            It's a beautiful film with
            Robert de Niro and Robin Williams.

     1195:  11:26:56.03  11:26:58.06 
            Robert de Niro is catatonic,

     1196:  11:26:58.20  11:27:00.22 
            and Robin Williams is a doctor

     1197:  11:27:01.23  11:27:04.06 
            who discovers a vaccine

     1198:  11:27:04.17  11:27:07.20 
            that brings those
            in a catatonic state back to life.

     1199:  11:27:07.24  11:27:10.22 
            De Niro becomes for...

     1200:  11:27:11.01  11:27:13.23 
            I don't remember,
            2 weeks, 2 months or 6 months,

     1201:  11:27:14.02  11:27:16.20 
            for a relatively
            short period in time,

     1202:  11:27:16.24  11:27:18.22 
            he becomes a normal man again.

     1203:  11:27:20.10  11:27:24.14 
            He falls in love, he walks,
            he dances, he talks,

     1204:  11:27:24.18  11:27:26.20 
            and before he was like that.

     1205:  11:27:29.14  11:27:30.16 
            You understand?

     1206:  11:27:32.02  11:27:35.24 
            That was what it was like
            for a lot of people.

     1207:  11:27:36.03  11:27:38.09 
            They were in a catatonic state.

     1208:  11:27:38.13  11:27:39.23 
            They said: That's the way it is.

     1209:  11:27:41.19  11:27:44.14 
            That's our lot, that's our life.

     1210:  11:27:45.08  11:27:48.15 
            The vaccine arrived.

     1211:  11:27:48.19  11:27:52.17 
            And they came back to life.
            They thought things could change.

     1212:  11:27:52.21  11:27:54.06 
            But nothing comes from outside.

     1213:  11:27:54.10  11:27:58.04 
            Change and happiness
            don't just fall into your lap.

     1214:  11:27:59.15  11:28:02.10 
            You've got to act,
            not just wait for the vaccine.

     1215:  11:28:03.14  11:28:08.06 
            If you can't take charge
            of your own life by yourself,

     1216:  11:28:08.10  11:28:10.17 
            you return to being catatonic.

     1217:  11:28:10.21  11:28:12.09 
            You see what I'm saying?

     1218:  11:28:15.17  11:28:17.24 
            That's what happened
            for a lot of people.

     1219:  11:28:18.20  11:28:19.19 
            I think.

     1220:  11:28:20.09  11:28:22.01 
            Maybe I'm talking rubbish.

     1221:  11:28:24.13  11:28:29.12 
            They were easily disappointed
            and they gave up.

     1222:  11:28:29.24  11:28:32.22 
            They said: It's not working,
            it's no good,

     1223:  11:28:33.15  11:28:35.16 
            there's no point, OK.

     1224:  11:28:36.03  11:28:39.24 
            We had a revolution, they're dead.
            And now look: Nothing.

     1225:  11:28:41.01  11:28:42.03 
            You see?

     1226:  11:28:43.06  11:28:47.19 
            Because if not, we wouldn't be
            where we are now,

     1227:  11:28:48.11  11:28:52.00 
            in such a state of utter collapse
            and sheer madness.

     1228:  11:28:52.04  11:28:53.12 
            It's sheer madness.

     1229:  11:35:39.24  11:35:42.16 
            Translation & adaptation of subtitles:
            Louise Williams

     1230:  11:35:42.20  11:35:45.18 
            Subtitling: L.V.T. - Paris